Nokia slides into survival mode...

More than likely, but if you think about it, Nokia is not that popular anymore when you look at the likes of apple and blackberry, and samsung as well.

I used to be a big fan of Nokia at one point, but the last phone I bought was an E60. When I was able to upgrade I was looking at the N series, and in the end went to motorolla. There were too many things going wrong with the N series and I don't think people have entirely forgotten that.

I was at one point on a Nokia fan, but I bought a phone is the E60 support. When I was able to upgrade, I have been looking for N series, and at the end of the year to motorolla. Error N series too many things, I do not think people have completely forgotten.

Is it me or has devbalic reworded Dreamravens post?

...finger sliding to the ban button as he waits to hear an interesting reason why...

There is too much choice with every mobile becoming a so called smart phone.

What is the point of having web access on a mobile phone when the screen is too small to see anything?

I look back with fond memories of the days when a mobile phone just about fitted in a pocket and only made/received phone calls (analogue rules ok).

I think most youngsters would disagree, as they seem to be permanently attached to their smart phones. Plus it's all about apps now, rather than just mobile websites. Anyone with a website that doesn't scale down and is usable on a smart phone is throwing away potentially 20% of their traffic.

What is nice though, the current generation of smart phones seem to have now done away with the throw away replace handset every 12 months culture, that Nokia and the likes were very guilty of.

Used to be a nightmare, another upgrade, another new phone to work out

Now you keep your iPhone/Android for a few years and customise it and update the software. Nokia missed the boat, and missed this critical change in usage.

That's not really fair. It was my rant

My youngest (10) would agree, she has a really old nokia that probably came out with the dinosaurs but she needs to look after it or she won't get a "proper" phone.

Something interesting happened, my eldest (15) has a Nokia 2700 Classic, and she went outside to feed the pets, and ended up slipping and dropping the phone in a huge puddle of water. In about 3 hours, after drying it out with a hairdryer, it was working again. It shows that these phones are seriously more hardy than a smartphone at least. If it had been my iPhone......

Nokia has the Lumia (do they not?) how does that phone not compare to a blackberry, Samsung, or iphone? hmmm to be honest I haven't been seeing a lot of advertising for the Lumia here either.

The last Nokia that I bought was an N72 in 2006. After I lost it during one my trips in Asia, I never bought another Nokia phone. Instead, I bought a Samsung. These days, I'm using an iPhone.

I wonder if Nokia can ever bounce back...

Good point about the puddle of water, but saying that my girlfriend has that ridiculously popular Apple mobile phone, She's dropped it down the toilet, in cups of tea (Don't ask me how), and on the floor numerous times. After a little time on the radiator in a bowl of rice it still works perfectly.

I'd like to ask you all this question, what company has been able to dodge becoming redundant or losing market share ?

I can easily see Apple going in the same direction as Nokia, they're pushing out the products too thick and fast, were already on version 3 of the ipad and soon we'll be on version 5 of the Iphone. And what has releasing new products faster actually done for Apple, yes its boosted the bank balance but they have also made costly mistakes that if repeated could damage the brand, some how everybody has forgotten the majour design flaws in the iphone 4 model.

In short I think their slowly but surely devaluing the brand, give it a few years and maybe their be in the same boat as Nokia.

Rant over

I think you are spot on. Microsoft went the same way, with software products, release after release, so that you end up with so many different versions, (thinking MS Office 97,2000,2003,2007,2010....)

Mind you, you see it in all sectors, take cars such as BMW. Once exclusive, now run of the mill with so many models, and I think they have watered down their brand.