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Totally agree, my neighbour pays full water rates, they think this is cheaper than a meter because they use lots of water (as my meter shows). Yorkshire water accept that I can't have a meter on a shared supply so it would be unfair to charge me the full rates, as a compromise they estimate my consumption and charge me for that. Both me and my neighbour can use as much water as we like at no extra cost. However the neighbour does pay more because they refused the option of a meter...

under the circumstances I think this is fair 

Problem resolved, Yorkshire water have confirmed that I am on a shared supply...(shock horror, you don't say..!) The water feed to both houses pass through and under my drive way. 

Whilst I am pleased that I no longer have to pay for my neighbors water, it is again very ironic that in order to avoid being over charged, ripped off and legally robbed by big companies, you have to stand your ground and argue your point over several days. Your capacity for reason and common sense is often wasted because the person you argue with does not care anyway.!!!

How many people simply pay what the utility companies demand? In my case Yorkshire Water simply don't know where my water pipes go and who they supply and yet they felt justified in saying:

"we know it sounds a lot but the engineer confirmed there is no leak and we have calculated that we supply water to the boundary of your property (at the meter) at a rate of 600 liters per day, that is what you will be charged for" 

In fairness to Yorkshire Water they have accepted the error and given they can't split the water supply they are going to estimate my usage based on two adults. This will be significantly cheaper than paying the full water rates....

Another victory for the working man....

No worries on that score, I am a true yorkshire lad. Even if the car was perfect the dealer would still need to use a crowbar to get me to losen my grip on the cash....

Originally Posted by Steve Richardson

“Hold on a couple of years Ray, and you can have a Google Car ”

Well the google car looks better than the one I have just been to see in Leicester, 

i saw the car on auto trader, asking price £6500, it looked exactly what I was looking for. Checked the dealers website ( very slick) and got his number. I explained I was about 100 miles away and could he confirm the description and price was correct (to avoid a wasted journey). The dealer said "yes" it was a very accurate description and he was willing to let me have the car for £6100 because I was such a nice chap.

like an idiot, I jumped into my car, drove to Leicester (3 hours), on route the dealer called me to say his office was being refurbished and could I go to his house? Too late to say no (I was almost there) I arrived at the address given.

i found the car on this blokes drive, he gleefully handed me the keys.....

drivers electric window not working, "I will get that fixed he said"

passenger electric window not working "I will get that fixed he said"

both front tyres almost bald "I will get that fixed he said"

no radio "I will get that fixed he said"

Car not taxed since October 2013, "I will get it taxed today he said"

I asked for the service manual/hand book, he argued the previous owner had serviced the car but didn't bother with the main dealer stamps.

i firmly said I was not interested and he had wasted my time, he replied ok "I will get the car serviced and fix all the faults" and let me have the car for £5,500 and could I possibly leave a cash deposit?

i asked if he wanted to make a contribution towards my petrol costs, whilst my wife quickly and assertively marched me back to our car. I think we got to Sheffield before I stopped swearing.

Fecking car dealers have no soul.....

14 months ago I decided to have a water meter fitted, given that my expensive, ungrateful and spoiled children (3 of them) had finally plucked up the courage to pay their own domestic bills. This decision was based On the assumption that me and the wife would be using less water it seemed to make economic sense.

at the time I was paying approx £400 per year in water rates. Yorkshire water assured me that the average cost for 2 adults would be about £260. My direct debit was fixed at £26 per month and I was happy.

well 14 months later Yorkshire water claim that according to the meter I now owe them £900. When I called to voice my disapproval and request the removal of the offending meter, they argued that I probably had a leak? The bill also shows that you pay for the water delivered to your home, you also pay more for the waste water taken away. 

Having made sure that all water in my home was turned off I took a meter reading 229.526 I then returned 4 hours later and the meter then showed an increase to 229.650. Yorkshire water think this could be a sign of a leak...no shit Sherlock. 

Ok Renault is out even though I don't carry tools. 

I would love a camper van...but can't afford it.

looks like we are going to look at the Nissan over the next couple of days.

the decking is on hold, literally trying to stop it floating down the fecking garden...

Not yet, just finished work for two weeks, building a decked area this weekend and then buying the car late next week. Seen a few I like, just not ready to part with the cash just yet....

Like I said very intense topic, perhaps it should be debated more. 

I discussed it with a colleague today, she said if anyone attacked or hurt a family member she would instantly want to shoot the offender. However, she added that after a few moments and a deep breath she would resist the urge to take revenge. She would then become the better person.

Me? I don't think I could be that strong, even though I don't support capital punishment I have to accept my own weakness. "Family, friends and colleagues" are my weakness, in the heat of the moment and as a reactive response to the harm caused to me or mine I think I would instantly seek revenge. I also think I would demand the death penalty, that hatred would regrettably endure and not diminish over time. 

So, justice has to be the fair, moral, and impartial treatment of all persons by the state, not a lynch mob or the family members of the injured party.

“Criminals do not die by the hands of the law. They die by the hands of other men.” George Bernard Shaw.

or We could argue

“We should forgive our enemies, but not before they are hanged.” Joe Abercrombi

Originally Posted by Steve Richardson

“I feel it ”

Belated birthday wishes Steve, hope you had a good one...